Town Hall Rage

  • Support for Health Care Plan Hits New Low Health Care Reform
    Support for Health Care Plan Hits New Low
    Monday, September 28, 2009
    Just 41% of voters nationwide now favor the health care reform proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s down two points from a week ago and the lowest level of support yet measured.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% are opposed to the plan.

    Senior citizens are less supportive of the plan than younger voters. In the latest survey, just 33% of seniors favor the plan while 59% are opposed. The intensity gap among seniors is significant. Only 16% of the over-65 crowd Strongly Favors the legislation while 46% are Strongly Opposed.

    For the first time ever, a slight plurality of voters now express doubt that the legislation will become law this year. Forty-six percent (46%) say passage is likely while 47% say it is not. Those figures include 18% who say passage is Very Likely and 15% who say it is Not at All Likely. Sixty percent (60%) are less certain.

    Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Democrats say the plan is at least somewhat likely to become law. Sixty-one percent (61%) of Republicans disagree. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 34% say passage is at least somewhat likely while 58% say it is not.

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    The overall picture remains one of stability. Today’s record low support for the plan of 41% is just a point lower than the results found twice before. With the exception of a slight bounce earlier this month following the president’s nationally televised speech to Congress to promote the plan, support for it has remained in the low-to-mid 40s since early July. During that same time period, opposition has generally stayed in the low-to-mid 50s.

    Intensity has been with the opposition from the beginning of the public debate. Currently, among all voters 23% Strongly Favor the legislative effort and 43% are Strongly Opposed.

    Also, from the beginning of the debate, the has been a huge partisan divide. Currently 75% of Democrats favor the plan. Seventy-nine percent (79%) of Republicans are opposed, as are 72% of the unaffiliated.

    Rasmussen Reports will continue to track support for the plan on a weekly basis (see day-by-day numbers).

    As Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports, wrote recently in the Wall Street Journal: “The most important fundamental is that 68% of American voters have health insurance coverage they rate good or excellent … Most of these voters approach the health care reform debate fearing that they have more to lose than to gain.” A Rasmussen video report shows that 53% of those with insurance believe it’s likely they would have to change coverage if the congressional plan becomes law.

    Despite strong efforts by the White House to counter that belief, including many comments by the president himself, there has been no change for months in the number who fear they will be forced out of their current coverage.

    Polling released last week shows that 58% of uninsured voters favor passage of the health care plan. However, 35% of the uninsured are opposed. The divide fell largely along partisan and ideological grounds.

    If the plan passes, 24% of voters say the quality of care will get better, and 55% say it will get worse. In August, the numbers were 23% better and 50% worse.

    Fifty-four percent (54%) say passage of the plan will make the cost of health care go up while 23% say it will make costs go down. In August, 52% thought the plan would lead to higher costs, and just 17% thought it would achieve the stated goal of lowering costs.

    While many credit or blame the town hall protests for building opposition to the plan, it appears they were simply a reflection of public opinion rather than a creator of it. This sense is confirmed by the fact that Obama’s approval ratings fell more in June and July before stabilizing in August.

    One thing that did change during the month of August is that public perception of the protesters improved. Most voters came to believe that the purpose of the town hall meetings was for members of Congress to listen rather than speak. That’s partly because just 22% believe Congress has a good understanding of the legislation.

    While some Democrats have charged that opposition to the president’s plan is based upon racism, just 12% of voters agree.

    Voters overwhelmingly believe that every American should be able to buy the same health insurance plan that Congress has. Most favor limits on jury awards for medical malpractice claims and think that tort reform will significantly reduce the cost of health care. Forty-eight percent (48%) want a prohibition on abortion in any government subsidized program while 13% want a mandate requiring abortion coverage.

    The health care debate has produced a difficult political environment for Democrats. Several incumbent Democratic senators currently are behind in their reelection bids including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in Nevada, Chris Dodd in Connecticut and Michael Bennet in Colorado. Republicans appear to have a better shot than expected at hanging on to the New Hampshire Senate seat, and GOP incumbents lead in both North Carolina and Iowa. The races for soon-to-be-vacant Senate seats in Missouri and Ohio are neck-and-neck, and longtime incumbent Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer polls under 50% against two potential 2010 challengers in California. Appointed Democratic Senator Kirsten Gillibrand holds a very narrow lead over former Governor George Pataki in a hypothetical match-up for New York State’s 2010 Senate race.

    Democrats also trail in the 2009 governor’s races in New Jersey and Virginia. Incumbent Democratic governors in Iowa and Ohio face tough challenges next year. In New York's gubernatorial race, the fate of the Democrats appears to depend on which of two nominees they choose.

    The health care debate has become one focal point for voters frustrated by a string of government actions. Voters overwhelmingly opposed the bailout of the financial industry and the bailout and takeover of General Motors.

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  • Snitch on your neighbors, parents, and friends for their political beliefs, says White House from the corner
    Tuesday, August 04, 2009
    Don’t Try Anything Fishy [Tevi Troy]

    Are the Democrats following criticisms of their health proposals a little too closely? K-Lo just sent me this piece about Sen. Ben Nelson personally calling a constituent to complain about the constituent’s appearance in an ad criticizing Nelson’s position on health care. Then a former White House colleague sent me this item from the White House website in which they are asking people to rat out anyone expressing an opinion that the White House would classify as “fishy”:

    There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

    My friend, who understandably does not want to be revealed as fishy to this Colonel Flag fellow, wrote the following:

    Move over, George Orwell! Could you imagine the furor this would have created if the Bush Administration had done this? The media would have had a field day issuing ominous warnings about the specter of the White House openly recruiting people to report on their friends' and neighbors' objections to a White House policy initiative. Be careful what you say — through its network of willing spies, the White House is listening! Children: Are your parents spreading misinformation about President Obama's plans for health care? Then email flag@whitehouse.gov. It's your duty!

    My take is a little different. The White House asked for a truth squad, so it seems to me that conservatives should submit any “fishy” statements from administration officials to flag@whitehouse.gov. But don’t expect any retractions anytime soon.

    GOP Senator: White House Encroaching on First Amendment
    ABC News’ Rick Klein reports:

    A Republican senator is calling for the White House to suspend a new project that asks members of the public to flag “fishy” claims about President Obama’s health care plans, arguing that it raises privacy concerns and will serve to chill free speech.

    Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, is sending a letter to the White House today asking the president to “cease this program immediately” -- or to explain how Americans’ privacy will be protected if e-mails are forwarded to the White House as requested.

    “I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,” Cornyn writes

    “I can only imagine the level of justifiable outrage had your predecessor asked Americans to forward emails critical of his policies to the White House. I suspect that you would have been leading the charge in condemning such a program -- and I would have been at your side denouncing such heavy-handed government action.”

    Yesterday, White House director of new media Macon Phillips wrote a blog posting urging readers to flag questionable claims about health care proposals.

    “There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.”

    Cornyn specifically asks whether those who quote the president’s past statements -- such as his 2003 statement that he was a “proponent” of single-payer care -- qualifies as “disinformation.” He also asks what actions the White House would take against those engaging in “fishy” speech.

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  • Wow we can heckle these scumbags? What took so long? Aug 5 09:26 PM US/Eastern
    By JILL ZEMAN BLEED
    Associated Press Writer
    LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) - An unruly Little Rock crowd heckled and shouted at two Arkansas Democratic congressmen Wednesday, accusing them of supporting a government-backed health plan that would take away Americans' personal choice and freedom.

    At one point, U.S. Rep. Mike Ross sat with his head in his hands while the crowd shouted. He and fellow Democratic Rep. Vic Snyder told audience members at a forum at Arkansas Children's Hospital that they wouldn't support a completely government-run, single-payer health insurance plan.

    "But that's what Obama wants!" an audience member shouted, leading to more heckling.

    Ross, who represents south Arkansas, sits on the Energy and Commerce Committee and has led his fellow Blue Dog Democrats in delaying a vote on the health care overhaul until at least September. Ross is chairman of the Blue Dogs' health care task force.

    The Blue Dogs—a group of mostly Southern, fiscally conservative Democrats—have not committed to supporting or opposing the bill yet. A deal reached last week calls for exempting more small businesses from a requirement to offer coverage, cutting subsidies to help people buy health insurance and making any government-sponsored insurance plan negotiate payment rates with medical providers.

    Lawmakers across the country are encountering growing public doubts about President Barack Obama's push to remake the system for providing medical care, evident in polls that find confidence in Obama's handling of the issue has fallen since January. Concerns are growing about government-run health plans, a growing federal deficit, and the impact on small businesses and end-of-life provisions.

    "I've said this several times but let me see if I can make it a little more clear," Ross said. "I don't represent Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi or President Obama or (House Finance Committee Chairman) Barney Frank. I represent the people of Arkansas and I'm not voting for any bill that forces any one plan on anyone, period."

    Many audience members cheered loudly when Ross said he wouldn't back anything that would provide federal funding for abortions or pay for health insurance for illegal immigrants.

    But some were skeptical about the intentions of President Obama and Democrats in Congress.

    Colleen Shoemaker of Bauxite apologized to the congressmen for being "out of line" and heckling them during the forum. She said the government was taking away Americans' rights.

    "At this point in my life I have never seen my America turn into what it has turned into," she said. "And I don't think that representatives and senators are going to be able to (pass a plan that preserves personal freedom). I'm scared."

    Though much of the crowd opposed Obama's plan, there were a few supporters.

    "I'm a huge Obama fan," college student Jacob Kauffman told the crowd, which responded with a smattering of applause and a few chants of "Get a job."

    Kauffman continued, "I was at mad at (Ross and Snyder) for not standing up for stronger health care reform. But after seeing this crowd tonight, I'm pleased with seeing what you have done. I've rather have you two overlook my health care plan than any private insurance bureaucrat any day."

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  • It’s just a little senilicide…what’s the big deal? What did you think collectivism was gonna be, better? Article From
    The Great Patriotic Revolt by Jim O'neal
    Canada Free Press

    If you’ve seen some of the videos of our town hall meetings, then you’ve noticed that there are a number of senior citizens attending. They’re concerned, and well they should be.
    Obama-Care, Euthanasia, ‘Counselling the elderly’
    There are a number of deeply troubling elements in Obama-Care, and some are aimed directly at the elderly. Euthanasia is an especially dangerous element embedded within the Obama-Care package.
    Obama-Care would marginalize the old, due to the fact that such citizens are considered a wasteful drain on society’s resources—i.e. their negative impact on “the collective,” outweighs their production value.
    Yes, I realize that the Obama-Care only mentions “counseling” the old. But no doubt, this counseling will include talk of euthanasia—voluntary suicide, (”It’s for the good of the collective—you understand, don’t you dear?”)
    If you look into the fascist Left’s long-held, perverted interest in euthanasia, and the current Administration’s tie-ins with various groups promoting euthanasia, I believe that you’ll come to the same conclusions that I have.
    Obama-Care will ultimately result in the culling of the elderly, (and an explosion of abortion clinics across the country. They’ll get us coming and going).
    Some tribes of Eskimos practiced senilicide (the practice of killing the elderly), and purportedly placed the aged on ice floes, and then let them drift away.
    The Eskimo old, after all, were using up food and other materials, more productively utilized by the younger members of the tribe. (Did I mention that tribalism is another variant of collectivism?)

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  • Man brutally attacked at St. Louis town hall meeting for daring to express his 1st amendment protected views Yahoo! Personals 7 Day FREE Trial offer

    From the ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
    Kenneth Gladney, 38, a conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with “Don’t tread on me” printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room at St. John’s Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was awaiting treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack.
    “It just seems there’s no freedom of speech without being attacked,” he said.
    The St. Louis protests are part of the increasingly vocal debate across the country.








    Protests took place throughout the country in support of Kenneth the Patriot.
    The situation has tellingly not been covered by notorious race baiting poverty pimps Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
    As of yet, Kenneth has not been invited to the Obama's house for a beer and the president doesn't appear to have any plans to apologize to the victim of this vicious violent hate crime perpetrated by his supporters.

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